|Jan 21, 10
||SUNSHINETUNES67 AND TOKENHIPPIE54
WHAT I'M ALSO DOING IS LOOKING UP THE CHARTS FOR OBSCURE LOCAL SONGS THAT JUST MADE
IT ON THAT CITIES CHARTS. AND FLORIDA HAS BEEN FANTASTIC FOR THAT. SO I FIND THESE
SONGS ON THE MUSIC SEARCH SITES AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE . SUNSHINETUNES IS BASICALLY
FLOWER POWER SUNSHINE POP HARMONY STUFF WITH A FEW GARAGE ROCK TUNES ON THERE. THE
TOKENHIPPIE IS STRICTLY A CANADIAN SITE MOSTLY 60'S WITH SOME EARLY TO MID 70'S
CANADIAN TUNES. THERE'S ABOUT 280 OF SOME OF THE RAREST SONGS ON THERE. AND I HAVE
OVER 380 TUNES ON SUNSHINE. I SHARE THAT SITE WITH AN AMERICAN. SO YOU SEE
CANADIANS AND AMERICANS CAN GET TOGETHER ON MUSIC PROJECTS. AS I SEE YOU GUYS HAVE
ON HERE. TOKEN
|Jan 21, 10
I KNOW I HAVE A FEW FOR CFCF FROM CLIPPINGS. I'LL REALLY HAVE TO DIG THOSE OUT. I
PUT THE CHARTS OF KIMN ON FLICKR HALF OF 65 FOR NOW. JUST GOOGLE KIMN DENVER RADIO
CHARTS OR TOKENSURFER AND YOU SHOULD FIND IT ALTHOUGH IT'S FROM YAHOO. SO GOOGLING
FROM YAHOO WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE. I CAN SEND THOSE CHARTS TO YOU AS WELL BUT I
DON'T KNOW WHERE ON HERE. I HOPE YOU APPRECIATED THE VILLAGE PEOPLE ANALOGY. I
THOUGHT I HIT A HOME RUN MAKING THAT POINT. TOKEN
|Jan 21, 10
||Picks Up Wrong Hits, etc
Might I suggest the creation of an ARSA FAQ to cover some of these situations?
The FAQ could cover the following questions:
-- I've got some surveys/airchecks I'd like to enter on the site. How do I get
-- My favourite station/city isn't represented on the site! Why not?
-- I've noticed an error on the site. How do I report it?
Most of the answers to these questions can be cut-and-pasted in from the posts
below, or from elsewhere on the site. Presto, instant FAQ (with answers)!
If possible, it would be nice to have a FAQ button posted on the left hand side of
the screen, which could then lead to the FAQ article. If not, the FAQ could be
continually re-posted to Chart Chat every month or so.
Anyway, it's just a thought. Hope it might save you some time and energy in the
|Jan 21, 10
||RE: Picks Up Wrong Hits, etc.
Guys, I admire all of you all on ARSA so much, but some of your ARSA database
accuracy expectations are simply WAY too high. I've made this point before, but
with recent posts it has become clear that I must make it again. We ALL want
everything to be 100% accurate in ARSA. And NO one wants it more than I do, I
assure you! But I am, once again, begging and pleading with you to be more flexible
and understanding here regarding system errors. Trust me, as a former computer
programmer myself, it is SO much more complicated for ARSA to always correctly
match up chart/title than it appears to be to the naked eye. Because surveys often
leave out/misspell words within title/artist, Tim HAD to construct numerous
algorithms to "best match" songs. It works correctly most times, but it still goofs
far more than any of us would like it to. And it always has, in all honesty. My
temporary "pseudo-algorithm patches" cannot prevent the same ARSA mismatches from
happening again in the future - only Tim can. Some of our newer keyers, God bless
them, are SO super-conscientious that they now apparently double-check every song
they key in, not just for the "magic dot", but to also make sure that each song was
correctly matched with the exact ARSA title in the db! That you guys care THAT much
is so great! But to my knowlwdge, this was never done by any previuous
keyer-inners. We here at ARSA are all such perfectionists, and I know how
frustrating it is to put the time/effort in to key a survey in, and then not see it
match up a song or two correctly. Only Gary has keyed in more surveys than I have,
so I also feel the pain first-hand, just like you guys do. ARSA CEO Tim Warden has
long known about this algorithm problem, and has long asked to be notified
personally, by e-mail, when a new match goof is found. I recently answered a
mis-match question on 2 cents, but it was just raised again (in frustration, I'm
sure), just a day or two later, after I'd already explained what happened, and why.
Please gentlemen, don't just post your 2 cents, but take the time to also READ 2
cents sometimes as well! Sadly, Tim has had VERY little time to fix bad ARSA
algorithms, for some time now. He is the only one who can. He does his very best,
every day, like we all do here. No one makes any money with ARSA. And we all live
in the real world, where we have to support ourselves and our families. Bottom
line: ARSA stuff falls under "hobby/spare time activity" for all of us. Once again,
we would ALL love the ARSA db to work as well as a db with 200 programmers, on
salary, working to keep it error-free on a full-time basis. But our ARSA reality is
a million miles away from that. You guys do not have the expertise/clearance to fix
bad ARSA algoritms, nor do I. Only Tim can, and he's pretty swamped with life these
days. What can I tell you, my classy chorts! I again urge everyone to be thankful
for what we DO have here, understand that ARSA has basically been 3 guys (Tim &
Gary started ARSA in '03, and I hopped on board a year later, with other kind souls
along the way.) And look how much is here! So please, send Tim any algorithm change
requests directly, then be extremely patient with him until he can get to it, and,
as best you can, please just roll with the punches, and make the best of it. This
is 2010 ARSA reality, warts and all. I have already "secretly" been going back to
the earliest-entered ARSA surveys and making many corrections. The ARSA db will
never be perfect, but I promise you it gets more accurate with each passing day.
All I'm asking of all of you is to have reasonable ARSA expectations, because ALL
of us are already giving ARSA 100% of our best efforts. Cheers! -Jim
|Jan 21, 10
||Picks Up Wrong Hits
Sorry to be a pest, but in KUDL-1960-02-21 which I just typed in, for Bobby Darin
"THAT'S THE WAY LOVE IS" we pick up the wrong Bobby, and for FRANKIE AVALON "WHY"
we pick up the wrong Frankie. While we're on that survey, is 8 new singles a
record for us (pun intended)?
On the topic of typing in surveys, I don't have a ready supply of raw material,
save what I scrounge from the internet. If anyone wants to send me images of
surveys, I'll gladly put them in.
|Jan 21, 10
||RE: CFOX CHARTS
I wish we had more Montreal charts here also, but we can only input what becomes
available. If anyone has some Montreal surveys that they are willing to share,
please let us know and we can set you up to input them or we can input for you
providing you provide copies.
Personnally, I agree with you about the years 1964-1969 being of the greatest
interest to me and the preponderence of surveys here from those years should give
you plenty to look at. Currently, of the 12,770 surveys in ARSA, 6,167 (nearly
50%) are from the six years covering 1964-1969. While you and I and probably many
others have preference for those years, what about those who came of age in the
50's/early 60's or in the 70's or 80's. I would hope ARSA can be a place of equal
enjoyment and possible research for those individuals also.
Please look around further and you'll find a wealth surveys from your preferred
years, although maybe not from the stations you would prefer. Hope you'll stick
|Jan 21, 10
GO TO FLICKR AND MY NAME IS TOKENSURFER THERE YOU'LL FIND THE KIMN CHARTS FOR 65
|Jan 21, 10
OK GARY I STAND CORRECTED YOU HAVE A HANDFUL ON CKGM AND CFCF COMBINED. THE OTHER
TWO MONTREAL STATIONS I DON'T KNOW THEM. I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR CFOX 1470
WITH GEORGE OR GORDON SINCLAIR THE DIRECTOR AND DEAN HAGOPIAN AND BOB SHAW AND ?
CHANDLER AND ROGER SCOTT. THIS IS FROM MEMORY, SO I HOPE I CAME CLOSE. SO I
MISSPOKE WHEN I MADE A GENERAL STATEMENT ON NO CHARTS IN MONTREAL. BUT THERE'S
STILL NOT MANY. I USED TO GO TO CFOX 15 MIN. ON MY BIKE FROM BEACONSFIELD AND MAKE
THE TREK TO POINTE CLAIRE ON HYMUS BLVD. AND PICK UP THE CHART THERE, STARTING
SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER OF '67 TIL I MOVED IN 69. I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE MY
MOTHER MUST'VE THROWN THEM AWAY.
YOU COULD ALSO PICK THEM UP AT YOUR LOCAL RECORD STORE.
I ALSO DEDICATED A SONG TO A GIRL NAMED LORELEI ON CFOX . IT WAS I WILL ALWAYS
THINK ABOUT YOU(NEW COLONY 6) ANOTHER TIME I TRIED REQUESTING FRIENDS BY THE BEACH
BOYS, AND IT WAS NO LONGER ON THEIR PLAY LIST. YIKES!! SO I HAD TO COME UP WITH SOME
OTHER SONG QUICKLY AND CAME UP TOMMY JAMES MONY MONY. BUT I ALREADY HAD THE DUMB
THING IN MY COLLECTION.
CFCF'S KINGPIN WAS DAVE BOXER(BOXERMAN). HE DIED RECENTLY HERE IN VANCOUVER BC
CANADA. I TALKED TO HIM ONCE ON THE PHONE ABOUT 12 YRS AGO IN VANCOUVER BUT HE
REFUSED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT BACK THEN. SO I CAME UP EMPTY UNFORTUNATELY.
CKGM HAD DENNIS OUTREMONT IN THE EVENING. BUT CKGM WAS PRIMARLY A TALK NEWS RADIO
SHOW WITH PAT BURNS LEADING THE WAY. CFOX WAS THE ONLY 24 HR MUSIC STATION IN 65
AND 66. I DON'T BELIEVE CFCF WAS ALL MUSIC 24 HRS IT HAD A NEWS FORMAT IN THE
MORNING. BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
IF IT WAS MY CHOICE I WOULD FOCUS FROM 64-69. AND GET AS MUCH OF THAT IN THERE.
AND THE MID -LATE 70'S ARE FOR THOSE WHO NEED TO KNOW IF THE VILLAGE IDIOTS OOPS
SORRY I MEANT VILLAGE PEOPLE WITH HOW HIGH THEY MADE THE CHARTS WITH IN THE NAVY. R
U KIDDING ME?!. I'M BEING SIMPLISTIC TO MAKE A POINT. BUT YOU GET THE IDEA. YOU'RE
STILL DOING A GREAT SERVICE REGARDLESS OF HOW I WOULD GO ABOUT IT. THAT'S MY 2
|Jan 20, 10
||1983-11-05 / CILQ ( Toronto, Ontario )
Here's another survey that's been up for a few months, and a few albums on it
haven't been added to the database yet. Just thought I'd give you a heads up!
Oh, and Tokensurfer -- as a fellow Canuck, I'm looking forward to seeing those
|Jan 20, 10
||EZ / MOR Surveys Or Playlists
My name is Greg and I'm a new member here. I am very happy to be here! I love
looking at old radio surveys from the 60's and 70's and am glad to meet like
minds..I love music research!
Question for you all..I'm looking for surveys / playlists for EZ / MOR radio
stations from the late 60's up to the early 70's. Would love to find out what some
of these stations were playing back in the day. I've gone thru Google books and
located a lot of the Easy Listening charts from archived issues of Billboard
magazine and now am now trying to track down some from the actual stations if they
Can you help? Thanks so much and once again very excited to be here!
|Jan 20, 10
||RE: KIMN CHARTS
There is no priority towards 1970's charts here at ARSA. Charts from ALL years are
treated as equally valuable. However, if you click on the Statistics button on the
left side of the page, you will find the great majority of surveys here ARE from
the 1960's - particularly the years 1965-1969. Why am I inputting the WDRC surveys
from the 1970's? Because I was very generously given a complete 10 year run of
these surveys from a contributor. I don't have 1960's surveys from WDRC. If I did,
I would be inputting those also. Why has it taken me a year to input the 1970 and
1975 surveys? After I uploaded my initial batch of surveys here, I made the
decision to upload new surveys which corresponded with the current day of the year.
Hence, I most recent surveys I inputted as those with a Jan. 20th date. So, it takes
me a year to input a year's worth of surveys. People have commented to me that they
enjoy this methodology and look forward to each week's new survey. I have inputted
almost 8,000 surveys here and enjoy the variety of typing up different stations
rather than spending all my time inputting one station. That's just my preference.
There's no politics here. We input whatever is available in our available free
time and welcome all newcomers and surveys from all years and locations!
You said there are no Montreal surveys here. Look again. There are Montreal
surveys from CKGM, CJMS, CKVL, and CFCF.
Please enjoy the site and anything you're willing to share with us will be most
|Jan 19, 10
THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP. BUT WHY IS THE PRIORITY ON 70'S WHEN THE 60'S ARE MUCH MORE
RELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO CHART ACTION. I MEAN I COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT DISCO SONG
CHARTED IN THE MID -LATE 70'S. THE PRIORITY SHOULD'VE BEEN 60'S FIRST. THE WDRC
CHARTS FROM JAN 67-DEC 67 AND 66 SHOULD BE ON THERE NOW NOT 1976. IT BLOWS ME
AWAY. AM I THE ONLY GUY OVER 50 THAT FEELS THIS WAY. NOW YOU GUYS HAVE GOT ME
MOTIVATED, I SWORE I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH FACEBOOK BUT NOW THAT I
HAVE MY BEACH BOYS UP THERE. I'LL BE UPLOADING ALL THE DENVER CHARTS ON FACE BOOK.
AND IT WON'T TAKE TWO YRS. TO DO IT. IT'LL TAKE CLOSER TO TWO WEEKS IF NOT SOONER.
THEN YOU GUYS CAN TAKE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THERE I DON'T MIND. I'LL LET YOU KNOW AS
SOON AS I START. I WILL NOT BE BOGGED DOWN BY POLITICS. AND THERE WILL BE SOME
MONTREAL CHARTS ON THERE AS WELL. I SEE NONE ON YOUR SITE FROM MONTREAL THAT'S
WHERE I GREW UP ORIGINALLY AND CHUM 1050 TORONTO IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF
WHAT TRULY WAS GOING ON IN CANADA IT MORE REPRESENTS WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE
STATES THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I MAYBE A LITTLE BIAS COMING FROM MONTREAL BUT THAT
DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT ABOUT CHUM 1050.
I GOT KIMN CHARTS WHEN I LIVED IN THE STATES FOR 16YRS MOSTLY IN DENVER AND I JUST
WENT TO THE RADIO STATION AND THEY JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE PULLED OUT ALL THE CHARTS
FOR SOME PROJECT. AND THAT'S HOW I GOT THEM IN THE EARLY 80'S.
|Jan 19, 10
||RE2: KIMN AND WDRC CHARTS
Oops! - Meant that I'll type in the WDRC 1967 surveys for you first. -Jim
|Jan 19, 10
||RE: KIMN AND WDRC CHARTS
Welcome to ARSA, Tokensurfer. Our major keyer-inner, Gary Pfeifer, is already in
possession of all the WDRC 1970's weekly lists. He started/finished inputting 1970
& 1975 in '09, is currently doing 1971 & 1976 this year, and will keep up this "2
years a year" pace until they are all in. I also own every WDRC 60's weekly list,
starting from mid-1961. Connecticut is already very well represented here in ARSA,
with over 1000 surveys in (only California/New York have more, among U.S. states).
All the old WAVZ/WNHC New Haven lists I own have already been entered, and I am
currently entering in my many WPOP/Hartford weekly lists. Because Gary is already
going great guns with the 1970's WDRC lists, I made my 1960's WDRC lists the lowest
key-in priority. I have personally made rapid key-in progress of late, so be
patient. And, since 1966 is your personal WDRC priority, I will key those in for
your first when I start keying in that WDRC decade. I have no scanner, so if you
have good scans for lists already entered into ARSA, please feel free to add them
in. So, because of our existing "entry plan" for WDRC, you may wanna add in your
KIMN info first. Please e-mail our ARSA "CEO", Tim Warden, and he can get you all
set up to contribute info. And you're right, a dozen or so very kind souls (led by
Gary) have worked their butt off to enter in our almost 13,000 surveys to date.
Welcome to ARSA! -Jim (ARSA database accuracy guy/survey keyer-inner)
|Jan 19, 10
||KIMN AND WDRC CHARTS
HI I'M NEW TO THIS SITE. I HAVE ALL OF THE CHARTS OF WDRC STARTING IN '66 UNTIL THE
LATE 70'S. I'M MISSING THE CRITICAL FIRST 8 MONTHS OF '67. OF ALL THINGS TO BE
MISSING THAT'S THE WORST ONE. IT'S ALL NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS. THE '66 CHARTS HAS THE
TOP 60 AND THE REST ONLY THE TOP 36. THE PROBLEM WITH THE 66 CHARTS IS THERE'S
LINES AND CIRCLES AROUND THE PRINT. YOU CAN STILL SEE THE ARTIST AND SONG BUT IT
LOOKS MESSY. I CHECKED AND THERE'S ONLY ONE CHART FROM THE 60'S ON WDRC.
THE KIMN CHARTS ARE PERFECT. I HAVE THEM FROM 65-68. 95% OF IT. I NOTICED THERE'S
QUITE A FEW KIMN FROM 67 ALREADY. BUT HARDLY ANY FROM THE REST OF THE YRS. I
SUPPOSE I HAVE TO SCAN ALL THE CHARTS AND THEN WHAT. AND WHAT SIZE SHOULD THEY BE
UNDER 200 KB. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF WORK. TOKENSURFER
|Jan 9, 10
Tim, Geno came up with a great idea today - he embedded a comment for me in that
chart field for a survey he added today, knowing that I'd soon see it during my
daily ARSA review. In the future, survey keyers and I now don't have to bore
everyone with "inside ARSA menusha stuff" here on Chart Chat. Geno noticed that the
"Cupid" by Johnny Nash chart data for his list went over to the song "Cupid" by
Johnny Rivers instead. Upon further review, I foubnd that all of the more than 30
surveys including this Johnny Nash song ALL went over to the Johnny Rivers song of
the same name, in error. It took me a while, but I did figure out a "temporary Jim
workaround" for this, and now all current ARSA surveys with Johnny Nash's "Cupid"
have the chart info where they should be. But there's still a bad algorithm in the
master logic somewhere, and future ARSA surveys including this song will still
wrongly place the data under Johnny Rivers, until a permanent fix can be done at
your end. You have the only key to the "Algorithm Dept.", Tim, so just a heads up
to you, sir! -Jim
|Jan 4, 10
||RE3: 1981-12-12 / CHUM-FM ( Toronto, Ontario )
Oh, now I get you, Kenn! Yeah, every couple of months or so, I don't how (senior
moments, probably!), but somehow a title/artist entry sneaks in without me ever
seeing it. If the CHUM survey had been in ARSA for that long, then I defintely
goofed. I probably checked on of several newly-entered CHUM surveys at one time
(and yes, I've been goin' real hard of late adding in CT's WAVZ/WNHC/WPOP surveys;
and I must say, you're no key-in slouch either, Kenn!) :) And I must've accidently
missed clicking/browsing on one of the CHUM lists. So, were it not for your
heads-up here, it would still be that way - oops!. So, many thanks, buudy! -Jim
|Jan 4, 10
||RE2: 1981-12-12 / CHUM-FM ( Toronto, Ontario )
Just to be clear, I always give you a day or two to input new albums/singles into
the database -- and you usually manage to fill them in within hours (or even
minutes) of my postings!
This particular entry had been up for about a month, though, without the relevant
LPs being added to the database. So I figured it had just slipped through the net
somehow, and thought I'd give you a heads up. Anyway, it's fixed now...thanks!
By the way, you've been on fire recently, entering (I think) something like 200
or so surveys in the last few weeks. Don't know how you manage to do it, but
congratulations. (And congrats to Gary, Roy, Rick, Geno and the other regulars
|Jan 2, 10
||RE: 1981-12-12 / CHUM-FM ( Toronto, Ontario )
Thanks for the heads-up, Kenn, and Happy 2010 to all ARSA friends/laborers as well!
Nothing to worry about, though, because the first ARSA thing I do every night is to
check all of the day's newly entered surveys, for any new 45s/LPs that haven't ever
shown up on an ARSA survey before. (Thankfully, it happens less and less with every
passing day, as we grow larger and larger!) I will then add in all of the correct
title/artist/label/catalog # info for it. So the next time you notice that
happening, Kenn, just leave it the way you did this time. And, within in a day or
two, if you go back and browse the survey in question, you will then observe that
those new titles have now been fully incorporated/assimilated/accounted for, in
either our master ARSA 45 or LP database. -Jim
|Jan 2, 10
||1981-12-12 / CHUM-FM ( Toronto, Ontario )
Just noticed that two of the hitbound albums from this chart haven't been added
to the database yet. An understandable oversight considering the the deluge of
surveys you've had to deal with this year!
By the way, happy 2010 to all the contributors to (and users of) this site!